Is MFG is a MFinG filling station network?

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Is MFG is a MFinG filling station network?

#1 Post by Avensist »

OK we all know and had discussions regarding Shell removing majority of their LPG pumps from their forecourts. Just looking at:
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for prices across the country, did anyone realise that most 80p per litre stations are MFG owned? All these stations were previously well priced and quite a few of them operated that good old 'accumulator' loyalty schemes making it even better value for money but since MFG took over, it is now the most expensive. Majority of stations they own is priced 80p per litre across the country.

Furthermore, I was looking at their petrol prices too on petrol price comparison site, and the picture is pretty much the same. Esso (mostly MFG owned) is doing this fill up for over 20 litres and you get 500 Nectar points, but even then, when you work it out even by filling the bare minimum 20 litres, the prices charged by MFG is so high that it is better off going to other places to fill up.

I think MFG is another one of those who buys businesses, ruins them and buggers off.

Most failing businesses often neglect to do their research. Prime example is this LPG pricing. Just because there aren't many filling stations in the local radius, charging high prices often backfires. Most of us LPG users do long distances and very price aware so if the local one gets expensive we'll change our filling locations to a more favourable ones. Shell obviously failed to see this and I think MFG is next.

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#2 Post by Brian_H »

Yes. Their main profit appears to be shop purchases rather than fuel. Trouble is in a lot of places its mfg or nothing.

They have also ended up with a lot of the sites that used to be BP connect, a lot of these were malthurst but MFG brought malthurst a while back.

Esso don't usually give points on lpg. At least not when I've used them. Rarely do use them as none of the stations I regularly go by are theirs.

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#3 Post by Avensist »

Mind you, supermarkets seem to grasp the market well with competitive pricing, some having 24 hours access even for LPG, which I like.

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It seems that MFG are starting to pull pumps out of stations, hardly surprising given they are currently 11p a litre more expensive than the Shell one a couple of miles away from them here. I've seen a few stations deleted off filllpg which are their ones.

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Good god! Don't they understand how the market works? Typical of a company putting people who have never done a proper work in their lives in management positions.

Their filling stations are 80p across the country no matter what the local competitions are like. Now spending money pulling the pumps? I don't know how these species survive...

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#6 Post by Brian_H »

Well the combination of parking restrictions of 20 minutes, and installing rapid chargers seems a bit at odds with each other, but that typically seems to be what they are doing over their various locations.

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Ok, a typical case of putting those who's never done a proper job in their lives trying to increase revenues. I hope they go extinct soon. I am really fed up with these type of species.

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#8 Post by Brian_H »

Another 10p/litre rise it seems they have started rolling out now as I've seen 89.9 on their station in Bourne yesterday. Also it seems the private equity group behind MFG are also the same lot trying to buy Morrisons...

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Yes I noticed that they have tried to take advantage of current the situation. Other successful outlets have kept the prices low so that customers would come and in return purchase other items but these MFingG lot tries to sting the moment customers come in. There is only so much can be made by selling LPG, which they don't seem to realise. Either way I don't like the way they conduct business and would Morrisons go under they hands? I hope not. They will probably ruin the business and sell it at a profit, little regards to contribution to the society.

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#10 Post by Brian_H »

Well having not filled up at Shell Tollgate having seen they are asking 99.9 a litre today, I've had to top up at the local MFG as my usual station has run out an hour before I got there. I think thats the most expensive LPG I've ever brought today.

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#11 Post by Avensist »

Ouch! Sometime we got to bite the dust I suppose.

My record high was 82p at the Scottish highlands but that was back in 2018.

Lately I am using more and more Applegreen networks for filling stations, these are commonly seen or labelled as Welcome Break as well as some independents. Welcome Break being a motorway services however their LPG prices are very competitive plus most open 24 hours and they do 24 hours, unlike some other stations which opens 24 hours but shut the LPG pumps at night.

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#12 Post by Brian_H »

Yep, I do use London Gateway if I'm passing that way and need to fillup. Cheapest I've found was Keele Southbound.

Welcome break and Applegreen have merged as far as I can tell, Applegreen being the European arm of Petrogas. AG do have their own stations as well as you say. Few offer LPG, typically its where it was already there before it became Applegreen. A lot of the Welcome break stations that had LPG under Shell, have removed it when the Autogas partnership was wound down. Its only really the main motorway sites they have left now, and even some of those have reached the end of the line (Charnock Rickard last time I tried to use it the pump has been destroyed, looks like someone didn't manage to stop in time and hit both the petrol and gas pumps, though it could be the result of someone trying to pull away with the pump still connected I guess).

I've used some of the Applegreen motorway services over in Ireland when I was over there, and they do seem to be a lot better setup than the majority of the offerings over here, most of which are very tired and not an area you want to stay in any longer than absolutly necessary. Thurrock on the M25 being a good example of a bad one.

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Brian_H wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:11 pm I've used some of the Applegreen motorway services over in Ireland when I was over there, and they do seem to be a lot better setup than the majority of the offerings over here, most of which are very tired and not an area you want to stay in any longer than absolutly necessary. Thurrock on the M25 being a good example of a bad one.
That goes for most other countries too. Motorway services here compared with those in mainland Europe are night and day. You would actually want to stop at a European service area. I think it was on the BBC website where they were asking European truck drivers why they hadn't come back to the UK since the working arrangements had changed. Almost all said that the main reason was the dirty service areas, having to pay to park, filthy showers, etc.
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#14 Post by Brian_H »

Looks like the robbing swines at MFG have seen fit to put the price up by another 10p today bringing it upto just below £1 a litre.

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Oh my goodness they are such a MFing network! Just because of the recent delivery issues that we've discussed, they must have got slightly more people coming over than usual and thought, they'll take advantage of the situation. I'm only gonna use them in emergencies and even then ,only fill up minimum amount to get to the next reasonable station.

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#16 Post by Brian_H »

It seems that the end of March should see things return to normal. What I don't get, is that both the local Shell and the local BP (MFG) are supplied by Flogas. The BP seems to have LPG most of the time, the Shell hasn't had any in February at all.

Last couple of fills I've had have been at Fleet services - 66.9 is much nicer, though just wish I could fit more capacity in somewhere!

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#17 Post by Avensist »

That's very strange indeed. As we've discussed the delivery issue was mainly surrounding Flogas yet like you say it seems to vary depending on the brand... Something to do with corporate fuelling card contracts perhaps that one brand is used more than others.

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#18 Post by Brian_H »

Calor just don't supply anywhere round me anymore since the pulled the autogas partnership, its all flogas. Or not flowing gas at present it seems. Just as well it hasn't been particularly cold this year

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#19 Post by LPGC »

I don't know how much MFG pay per litre of gas that they buy but the thought has occurred that gas supplier(s) that supply MFG might be the real rip-of merchants? It would be interesting to see the prices forecourts pay, which supplier(s) they are using and how much they charge at the pumps.

Let's face it the LPG bulk supply industry hasn't exactly got a great record for fair business policies/practices. The trade body is hardly the watchdog that many people seem to expect it to be.

Do the big players like Calor and Flogas have their own refineries or do they buy gas from refineries owned by other firms?

There might be plenty room for a new startup bulk gas supplier to buy gas from refineries and cut their own deal with MFG, with a certain major supermarket chain and with franchised forecourts. It wouldn't be in the interests of a new start up trying to build up business to get involved in any under hand practices, e.g. if established businesses in a certain field were all involved with price fixing the new startup wouldn't be interested in joining in with the price fixing or they would never grow to be one of the major players.. instead the competition would all have to lower prices to remain competitive in that field and not see their market share in that field diminish as the startup's market share rapidly increased.

For sure someone is ripping someone off when some forecourts can sell gas for 60odd pence per litre while others are selling gas for 90odd pence per litre. We can expect a bit more variation in prices of LPG in percentage terms compared to petrol prices but a range of 50% seems very much excessive.

I have known a few people approach existing suppliers to ask how much they could supply gas for if they were to set up a new LPG forecourt, Getting a straight answer is like getting blood out of a stone. When pushed repeatedly for an answer, after all the bs like 'We would come out and assess your premises to see what equipment you'd want us to supply and fit' (when the potential premises owner made it clear from the outset that they would buy their own second hand equipment and pay an outside contractor to install it), after all the evaded questions, the quote received is usually for a few pence more per litre than the potential setup/owner could buy gas for already from the closest forecourt... It would usually be cheaper for the setup guy to just keep nipping to the closest LPG forecourt with the equivalent of an LPG jerry can than to buy from one of the existing suppliers. This stinks! You would think that suppliers would be happy to have a new customer buying maybe 3000 litres of LPG per week from them.

Even if LPG were £1 per litre though, it would still save money over paying £1.50 per litre for petrol. Some owners have recently paid over £1.70 per litre for E5 'super' unleaded... Some of those because their vehicles supposedly need the higher octane of 'super', some of those because they reckon their vehicle is incompatible with 'regular' higher ethanol content E10.

And not that any of this has got anything to do with electric vehicles.... I have just converted a Vauxhall Combo van with 1.4 engine, fitted a 160 litre tank in the load space running width-ways behind the rear seats, filled it this evening with 139.4 litres of LPG. The filling took maybe 5 minutes, the range should be around 900 miles on LPG. If ever the LPG runs out it could probably do another 300 miles on petrol before running out of fuel altogether, probably better than 1200 miles range in total and ability to refuel in a few minutes. A few years old with 30000 miles on the clock the same van could probably be bought for around £10k and it will still have same range and speed of refuelling in 15 years and 150000 miles time.
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#20 Post by Avensist »

Totally agree with Simon. To this very day, still don't understand the short term ripping off plan that businesses pursue. Ok, may yield profits in the short term but never sustainable in the long run. Not just this industry but across the board. Insurance and broadband is a good example, though clamp down is on its way on the former.

90% of insurance renewals I tell them to get stuffed, only to pester me with cheaper quotes afterwards.

Upsetting customers are not the way to go yet they carry on like that.

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